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Umno has 20,000 branches within 191 divisions. So they need to fabricate members to allow these branches to exist. The members do not really exist. They are just names to make up the numbers so that the branches can be created and thereafter perpetuated.
NO HOLDS BARRED
Raja Petra Kamarudin
Muhyiddin: Don’t underestimate 3 million strong Umno
Umno vice-president Tan Sri Muhyiddin Yassin reminded opposition parties, including Pas, not to belittle Umno, while admitting the party’s need to improve various areas. Muhyiddin, who is also International Trade and Industry Minister, said the rise and fall of power is part and parcel of life and had happened to all parties.
“That is his opinion. For us in Umno, the party has been long established with more than three million members and can be regarded as the biggest political organisation.”
“Every political organisation will have its seasons. Sometimes we are strong, sometimes we will face problems. Opposition leaders will not respect us. We don’t expect them to make positive comments or statements although problems also exist in PAS and Pakatan Rakyat,” he said.
Muhyiddin was commenting on Kelantan Menteri Besar Datuk Nik Abdul Aziz Nik Mat’s statement describing Umno as a dying tree, after attending a Chinese New Year open house organised by Umno Kalabakan.
He said Umno and Barisan Nasional’s (BN) defeat in several by-elections are not indicators that the party is weak and cannot rise again. “We admit our weaknesses, but it does not mean that we are hopeless cases. After the general election we realised this and have started to make internal changes and reforms. Don’t underestimate Umno’s strength,” he said.
He said BN and Umno hoped to send a message to the people that the party is not static and are willing to make improvements necessary with the country’s changing political landscape. Muhyiddin added that he is confident the people will accept the party’s changes and ensure victory for BN in the next general election for continuing development in the country. — Bernama, 3 February 2009
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Okay, today, let’s get away from the Perak political crisis for the meantime while we wait for the official announcement as to whether we are going to see two by-elections or we are going to see the Perak State Assembly dissolved to make way for fresh state elections. If the Elections Commission ‘rejects’ the resignation letters of the Changkat Jering and Behrang State Assemblymen, then Pakatan Rakyat would have no choice but to dissolve the Perak State Assembly and hold fresh state elections.
What I want to talk about today is the statement by the incoming Deputy Prime Minister who will serve under incoming Prime Minister Najib Tun Razak. The incoming Deputy Prime Minister meant here is Umno Vice-President cum International Trade and Industry Minister Tan Sri Muhyiddin Yassin. And his statement is about the three million members that Umno has.
Actually, Umno may have three million members, as they always proudly claim, but if you were to include the members of the 13 other component members of Barisan Nasional, then it would come to 5.5 million, or so they claim.
A short digression to this subject but still related to the issue: in the two weeks that we spent in Kuala Terengganu in the run-up to the by-election last month, we noticed that almost EVERY Chinese citizen of Kuala Terengganu is an MCA life member. Yes, that’s right, almost all the Chinese in Kuala Terengganu are life members of MCA.
Going by these statistics, Barisan Nasional should have garnered at least 90% of the Kuala Terengganu Chinese votes. But they didn’t. Isn’t this telling? Boasting about how many members you have is one thing. Whether your own members will vote for you is more important. If you can’t get even your own members to vote for you then what chance do you have of getting the ‘fence-sitters’, those who are not card-carrying members of any party, to vote for you? And we are not yet even talking about winning over the votes of the opposition supporters. This would be as remote as seeing Umno abandon Ketuanan Melayu and the New Economic Policy.
Barisan Nasional is supposed to have 5.5 million members, three million in Umno alone. But in the 8 March 2008 general election, Barisan Nasional garnered only 4,082,411 or 50.6% of the popular votes. Pakatan Rakyat managed 3,796,464 or 49.4% of the votes with only one million members.
What happened? How come Barisan Nasional won only 4,082,411 votes against the backdrop of 5.5 million party members? And surely, in an election, not only your own members vote for you. Surely the ‘fence-sitters’ or non-card-carrying voters of any party also vote for you.
Let us work out the arithmetic. Barisan Nasional has 5.5 million members and Pakatan Rakyat about one million or so. That comes to 6.5 million voters who are card-carrying party members. So about 4.5 million voters are not card-carrying members of any party. This would be the ‘fence-sitters’ or uncommitted voters that both coalitions would want to win over.
In the 8 March 2008 general election, 222 Parliament seats in 12 states (including the Federal Territory which has 13 seats) and 505 state seats in 13 states were up for grabs (Sarawak did not hold state elections in the 2008 general election). There were 10,922,139 registered voters (an increase of 600,000 over the 2004 general election), which includes the 221,085 postal voters. So the ‘real’ voters came to only 10,701,054.
The total votes garnered by Barisan Nasional and Pakatan Rakyat combined were 7,878,875. This comes to a voter turnout of 70.71%, a very low turnout indeed. If we minus the 221,085 postal votes, which are ‘bonus’ votes for Barisan Nasional, the ‘genuine’ voters would come to only 7,657,790.
This means if we minus the 221,085 postal votes, Barisan Nasional actually garnered only 3,861,326 votes against Pakatan Rakyat’s 3,796,464. This comes to a majority of only 64,862 votes.
Okay, Barisan Nasional has 5.5 million members. This means they should get at least 70.71% of this (calculated on an across-the-board basis according to the voter turnout). Therefore, Barisan Nasional should have garnered 3,889,050 votes if all their members voted for them and if calculated on a 70.71% voter turnout. Then they got the 221,085 postal votes. So the total votes for Barisan Nasional should have been 4,110,135 votes.
This means three things. Firstly, about 30% of Barisan Nasional’s members did not bother to come out to vote for their own party. Or, secondly, many of their members voted for the opposition. Thirdly, if we assume that all your members voted for you and not for the other side, this means NONE of the non-card-carrying voters voted for you. ALL voted for the ‘other side’.
Whatever it may be; it is impossible for the opposition to win 100% of the uncommitted voters. Many would also vote for Barisan Nasional even if they are not members of any of the 14 component members of the coalition. This would then mean many Barisan Nasional members did not vote for their own party. Or probably these members do not exist in the first place.
Pakatan Rakyat has just one million members or so. Yet they garnered 3,796,464 votes. The bottom line is: Pakatan Rakyat got almost four times the votes compared to the members it has, while Barisan Nasional could not even get the same number of votes as it has members.
Muhyiddin Yassin’s boast about Umno having three million members, or of Barisan Nasional having 5.5 million, means nothing if you can’t translate these numbers into votes. Hell, only 70.71% came out to vote on 8 March 2008. About 30% or three million people stayed home, many of them Barisan Nasional members as well. You not only could not get your own members to come out and vote, even those that did come out to vote did not all vote for you, their own party.
Anyway, everyone knows that Umno’s and Barisan Nasional’s ‘members’ are ‘paper’ members only. They only exist on paper. In many instances they can’t even hold general meetings because they can’t get the quorum at branch level and many meetings are mere ‘paper’ meetings.
Umno has 20,000 branches within 191 divisions. So they need to fabricate members to allow these branches to exist. The members do not really exist. They are just names to make up the numbers so that the branches can be created and thereafter perpetuated. Many branches are mere signboards to give an impression that they exist. There is really no branch activity as such.
Either way it is a farce. If the members do exist then that is bad news because your own members did not vote for you. And if the members do not exist then you are just kidding yourself. Both do not augur well for the ‘largest Islamic party in the world’, as what Umno claims to be.
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written by Argus Eye, February 03, 2009 12:08:41
BN is a spiritless party. Most top govt servants and contractors probably feel obliged to join, but there is no sense of loyalty involved.
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written by ahmadneil, February 03, 2009 12:20:02
umno is a party that will do anything to stay in power.They can forsake even their parents and family just to do this greedy things.how on earth can they be allowed to do this! I don't think we cannot bring down this evil gov't that are governed by demons.
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written by clarity, February 03, 2009 12:22:45
And muhyyddin also said they were ready to change and the PM is suppose to have initiated reforms. How can we beleive that? Bribery and corruption still pervade the BN from KT to Perak. One moment they are so virtuous and the next the bribes are being offered for crossovers. Nik Aziz is right. We should put some poison on the tree to help it on its way.
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written by LKO, February 03, 2009 12:25:53
RPK, your are insulting some of the very high spirited members of UMNO/BN. These are very long supporting members and often quoted as pengundi hantu. They vote in branch meetings and even elections. How can you say that they don't exists? Ghosts or hantus have have rights too! smilies/grin.gif
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written by ksmaniam, February 03, 2009 12:30:43
Do you really think he will become the DPM, RPK? No way. MM will never allow Najib to choose him. Muhyiddin has been tricked by MM. The Brutus who stabbed AAB from behind will find out that there is god come this March. MM will never allow Najib to make the mistake he made with AAB. Even if he does become, remember, MM has all the chronicles of Muhyiddin. Muhyiddin will be childs play for MM and Najib. I feel sorry for this fellow to fall for MM's magic show. I do notice that he is trying very hard to impress UMNO members. I have a strange feeling that he knows what is going to happen to him come March, but is unable to do anything as MM and najib hold the purse and they are able to control UMNO members to their whims and fancy.
Ha ha ha he who laughs last laughs loudest.
And it is not u who will be laughing Muhyiddin. NOt you. Ask MM. He knows.
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written by OVERLORD, February 03, 2009 12:31:32
RPK,
A cornered wounded animal will do anything in desperation to stay alive eventhough if it involves selling one's wife....
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written by ksmaniam, February 03, 2009 12:34:22
As for the members issue, I agree, RPK, in fact it is worse than that. Sometimes it is only the Head of the Branch who is a party supporter. The rest are unknown, and sometimes do not know that they are a party member. Sometimes the Head of the Branch merely uses the party for his food train, his support is totally for the opposition. It is not only the politicians who play the game, the rakyaat also play the game, BN has taught.
Interesting but painful.
Nice one RPK, Sir.
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written by volkswagen, February 03, 2009 12:35:01
Dear RPK,
Firstly, whether it be Najib, Muhyidin or other BN leaders, they can never digest the statistics that you have shown, as well as the points that you are trying to drive at. It absolutely means nothing to UMNO and BN because their ego blocks them seeing reality. If you put your statistics in-terms of 'RM', 'USD' or 'GBP', then they can quickly digest it. Always show it in money value... then they will understand.
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written by ahmadneil, February 03, 2009 12:35:09
umno is just making up all these bullshit names.Even those who are long dead are still having their names in umno.Even I myself have left umno long ago but they still don't delete my name.
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written by arnab76, February 03, 2009 12:39:05
they do not have the brains to pass the real O / A levels standard, how they can count properly? As proven, they are not even competent in speaking leadersip tone yet its is suprise how they become a MY minister. It only happen in Malaysia so called the bolehland. Can you immagine the head of the cabinet ministers which happened to the lame ugly duckling? He has this type of people and I think all of them should attend class " Management 101 " by operated by the management trainees. They are real PHD's - Permanent Head damage.
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written by pinsysu, February 03, 2009 12:39:29
so beside having hantu voters, we got hantu members dat give birth to a hantu branch and hantu branches give birth to hantu divisions and so on and so fort ... and tada! a soon to be hantu party! any difference from a dying tree? smilies/grin.gif
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written by mikewang, February 03, 2009 12:42:40
Aiya .. I am also an MCA member but I want to see the party leave BN or die.
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written by chanatak, February 03, 2009 12:52:26
Nope. The way I figure it out is that the UMNO card carrying members came out to vote for PKR. Many of those who stayed at home were those who had no interest at all in politics.
With the problems of the BN government being highlighted with the RM50m offer, the kidnapping of PKR people, the behavior of the Police in the Kugan case, and their lame reaction, more and more sensible human beings on the BN side are getting fed up. They will simply vote to bring an end to BN. Heck, I think the human beings will bring down incorrigble UMNO first. Only the UMNO binatangs will continue with their blind loyalty. Binatangs have no sense of right and wrong.
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written by anak penang, February 03, 2009 12:52:58
Anyway , this Muyuddin Pissin is just another corrupted to the core, diabolical, power crazy foker just like the rest of em in satanic amno.
Who cares what he has got to say
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written by malsia1206, February 03, 2009 12:53:11
All these UMNO branches and divisions may be fabricated and unreal. But the billions of RM spent on them for the past 20 over years are REAL hard cash. And when they do not get to spend this colossal money from the taxpayers, someone else would. And what do we achieve during this lengthy period of spending? Or wastage rather. More millionaires and billionaires of their kind at the expense of the Nation, the Nation's rakyat and the bleak future of this country.
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written by Rashid, February 03, 2009 12:54:37
I'm not interested in the empty rhetoric of Muhyiddin Yasin who was parachuted from Johor due to massive corruption. Have you ever seen the man come up with a sustainable idea on anything? Of course not! That's how empty he is. My interest is that you put a phone call to Perak MB Mohd Nizar and request him to dissolve the state assembly. The snap election will be about the wanton impunity of Najis Rosak and whether the nation should be turned into a Colombia or Afghanistan or Somalia where elected leaders are abducted either to ditch their parties or pay ransom. As you know, these states are banana republics and failed nations. Tell him to dissolve the state assembly.
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written by loosecannon, February 03, 2009 13:15:42
Muhyiddin is right about Umno being not static. They stole our rakyat's money and then they keep coming back for more and more.
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written by milestone, February 03, 2009 13:23:08
EC say no to BY_ELECTION:
http://thestar.com.my/news/sto...ec=nation
I believe our leader know what is the next step; we have to prepare, we can give our point of view on this, but when the leader announced the decision we have to accept with open hand.
Myself looking at SNAP-ELECTION!!! But again my pray and hope mr. petra still be outside the 'gate' during the election day.. We are going to ready from north-to-south-go-east-and-cross-to-west!!
I wish we can 'tanam' BN/UMNO forever in PERAK one-and-for-all!!
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written by sahabat, February 03, 2009 13:25:01
The EC has just announced that there would be no by-elections. EC found out that there was uncertainty as to the content of the undated resignation letters.
Now the only available solution is to dissolve the Perak Assembly. UMNO must be taught a lesson otherwise they will continue boasting to the world.
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written by carribeanking7, February 03, 2009 13:35:24
Dear Pete,
Political parties love bragging rights as to their membership numbers, I know very well that UMNO and the rest of the BN components are just "Potemkin Villages".
Your analysis of BN having 5.5 mil members yet only obtaining only 4 mil of the popular vote is not surprising, as many branch leaders are willing to give Rm 50 to RM 150 for you to fill an application form so he/she can curry favor with top party echelons.
I personally know some people who are registered MIC members but voted for DAP.
Case in point MIC, Samy brags of having 600,000 members , yet MIC canditates collectively garnered less that 200,000 of the popular vote in GE12, this is worse than the BN average.
PPP only managed 16,800 of the popular vote, Teresa Kok alone can dwarf PPP's nationwide vote.
membership wheteher of a political party, retail membership or enrich frequent flyers program is never translated into a proportionate purchase or vote.
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written by Francis, February 03, 2009 13:36:08
Our incoming deputy prime minister has forgotten his mathematics (statistics.
Please hand over the Finance Portfolio to him to guide Malaysia out of the economic downturn
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written by wongnoball, February 03, 2009 13:41:03
UMNO-BN is like Chemical Ali.....telling LIES in the face of Obliteration.
Let Regim Kejam Ganas UMNO tell its own STUPID members of hope for more $$$$$ when their kitty are empty. Those who think of crossing over to UMNO BN now know it is also a lie. Those 2 PKR wanting those tens of Millions are Condemned to only $50,000 Down Payment for the rest of their Life. Serve you right if UMNO-BN DOUBLE CROSS You. Eat with the Evil Devil of UMNO, you will share Hells sufffering with them. Better Jump the Sinking SAMPAN of UMNO-BN.....its not a SHIP that you thought. Seems like PKR need to do some house cleaning too!!
Let this be a warning to all UMNO-BN Kronies your company value is dwindling by the day. While we rakyat will continue our Boycott. Anything that benefits UMNO-BN that I can avoid buying/paying...I will TRY. The deeper the economic Crisis, the better it is for Malaysia until UMNO-BN is finished Off!!
Obliterate UMNO NOW....not a second longer!!
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written by Michael Pg, February 03, 2009 13:46:16
All RPK member and supporter,
Prepare your tools,
Prepare your bags,
Kiss your family goodbye,
Because we going to follow RPK for a long march to Perak. and Support Pakatan and to SAVE our children Future from this crony MCA/MIC/UMNO.
Please create a committee in every state to collect donation and preparation.
Please Book a hotel first. else umno dog will book all the hotel.
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written by yeechut, February 03, 2009 13:47:00
The same can be said of MCA. The perpetual A team vs B team confrontation (in different guises, carried out by different persons) has seen the respective team accusing each other of manufacturing ghost members.
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written by Goostee, February 03, 2009 14:45:37
RPK,
You're not only stripping them naked to show the actual size of their " -OCKS", but are also exposing that they've merely been bragging that they could " do it " all this while !!!
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written by ibabonma, February 03, 2009 14:45:49
Simple mathematics 100 members X 20,000 branches = 2,000,000.
Just go to their branch AGM during the election of Office Bearers and you will be lucky to see more than 50 voting members in attendance, that also includes members of multiple branches, and also the entourage (read: ball carriers) from their respective Bahagian lead by their Chief UMNO Bahagian Goon.
In the rural areas, the situations are worst....you can only see old folks around.
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written by ROBERTNGTG, February 03, 2009 15:01:00
Barisan Nasional is supposed to have 5.5 million members, three million in Umno alone. But in the 8 March 2008 general election, Barisan Nasional garnered only 4,082,411 or 50.6% of the popular votes. Pakatan Rakyat managed 3,796,464 or 49.4% of the votes with only one million members.
What happened? How come Barisan Nasional won only 4,082,411 votes against the backdrop of 5.5 million party members? And surely, in an election, not only your own members vote for you. Surely the ‘fence-sitters’ or non-card-carrying voters of any party also vote for you
THE AMENO PARTY IS FILLED WITH HANTUS, TOYOLS, ORANG MINYAK. BUT WHO CARES. THESE PHANTOM MILLIONS WILL TRANSLATE INTO REAL RM $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$MILLIONS. THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE FOR THESE HANTUS.
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written by johntyc, February 03, 2009 15:05:23
Usually voters turnout is around 70%. We assume 30% stayed home or because of various reasons but I do not think so. I think up to half or 15% are reserves aka phantom. About BN’s members voted for the opposition, most people don’t even know that they are a member of a BN’s coalition party. Once there was a PPP new branch opening. A staff approach me as I was lalu about and ask for my personal details. I ask "for what"? He said "for banci"(census). I ask "banci for what"? He said "just fill it up. It’s for your own good". I said "no thanks" and walk away. Couple weeks later, a guy suddenly announce in Buletin Utama that his party have millions of members and is a large party (Ptui). There are various ways these small party can get our info and made us their party’s members.
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written by DezMalaysia, February 03, 2009 15:08:07
Hell ! They are right ! They always stick to their motto;
"Cermerlang, Gemilang, TEMBERANG"
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