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Wednesday, 26 November 2008 14:43
In time, these great Islamic empires became so corrupt that they eventually disappeared from the face of this earth. What we see in the Middle East today is the residual of the once great Islamic empire from the Golden Age of Islam.
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Fatwah,
Raja Petra Kamarudin
Aiyah, so many people phoned me to ask why I have not written about the current fatwah controversy. People seem to have the impression that it is my duty to talk about everything under the sun. I think enough people, right up to the Sultans and Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad, have touched on the matter. Do you really need me to also offer my two cents worth?
I suppose I can’t run away from my ‘duty’ of also whacking the issue seeing that I have been ‘officially’ labelled as an insulter of Islam. People just expect me to put my foot in my mouth on any issue involving Islam. Anyway, he goes.
I have no problems with the Fatwah Council or religious bodies coming out with fatwahs. It is not like anyone would follow them anyway. It is just an exercise in hot air as far as I am concerned. I mean, take the many ‘fatwahs’ already passed by God and cemented in the Quran for eternity. Do Muslims really take heed over what has been forbidden by God?
I remember a talk that Sheikh Imran Hosein once gave in Kuala Lumpur about ten years ago on the subject matter of riba’ or usury. We published his lecture into a booklet and distributed it free to all and sundry.
Sheikh Imran said that, according to the Prophet Muhammad, there are 80 levels of usury, bribery being just one of them. And the sin of the lowest level of all, said Sheikh Imran, tantamount to the sin of sexual intercourse with your own parent.
Can you imagine yourself having sex with your father or mother? Well, the sin of the lowest level usury is the same as the sin of sex with your own father and mother. And bribery is not the lowest level yet. So the sin of bribery certainly ranks higher than the sin of sex with your own mother or father.
Is there a fatwah on bribery? Do you even need a fatwah from the Fatwah Council or any religious body when God has already issued His ‘fatwah’? A man-made fatwah would be unnecessary and redundant. A fatwah can never make bribery more haram than it already is. And that is probably why no one sees the need for coming out with another fatwah.
But this does not stop Muslims from taking bribes. Considering that more than 90% of Malaysia’s civil servants are Muslims, and bribery is most rampant amongst the civil service, this would mean the Muslims are the most corrupt lot, at least as far as Malaysia is concerned.
Look at Umno. Even Tun Dr Mahathir laments about corruption in Umno. They call it ‘money politics’, of course, but this is just corruption by another name. And are not all Umno members Muslims (expect for maybe some from Sabah)? Umno is actually very concerned about the matter and can’t quite figure out what to do. Even the most corrupted Umno leaders are concerned about it. When the crooks worry about the spiralling crime rate then rest assured the problem is very serious indeed.
Sure, ban yoga for all I care. After all I do not do yoga and it does not really affect me personally. Even ban lipstick and high heels as well if that makes us more Islamic. Have separate checkout counters for men and women and ‘his’ and ‘her’ swimming pools. These, to me, are small potatoes. But while we are at it can we also issue fatwahs and ban the more serious practices that ail the Muslim community? Can we ban corruption?
I don’t see how yoga, lipstick and high heels can weaken the ummah (community). I don’t think Muslims will convert to Hinduism or Christianity because of yoga, lipstick and high heels. But corruption can destroy the ummah. And most Islamic communities have collapsed because of corruption.
Muslims are fond of talking about the ‘Golden Age of Islam’. Yes, at one time, Islam was a great empire. But it no longer is. And why is that? In time, these great Islamic empires became so corrupt that they eventually disappeared from the face of this earth. What we see in the Middle East today is the residual of the once great Islamic empire from the Golden Age of Islam.
And that is why the 'fatwah' from God, as related by the Prophet, says that bribery is one of the 80 levels of riba’ and the sin of the lowest level of riba’ tantamount to the sin of sex with your own parent. And this is more disastrous than yoga, lipstick or high heels.
Muslims have to get their priorities straight. Sure, come out with fatwahs if need be. But let these fatwahs be about what really ails us and not about some minor issue that was not really a danger to the ummah in the first place.
Armain Carlier, my one-time business contact from Schlumberger, related a story about how he went to Iran many years after the Iranian Revolution. He was there to visit their partner and to see how their joint-venture factory was getting along. It had been years since anyone from Schlumberger had visited Iran and they did not know even if the business was still in operation.
He was surprised when their Iranian partner handed him a cheque for the profits they had made over all those years. He thought the factory no longer existed, let alone was still making a profit. And he never expected Schlumberger’s Iranian partner to be so honest as to hand Schlumberger’s share of the profits over to him.
Carlier was so impressed and said that Islam must be a great religion if its people can be so honest. Yes, that is the example of an un-corrupt Muslim, which impressed even a non-Muslim like Carlier. And this should be the target of the Fatwah Council and religious bodies, to indoctrinate Muslims into becoming honest and un-corrupt.
So carry on fatwahing. I have no problems with that. It is just that maybe we should put yoga, lipstick and high heels way at the bottom of the list of items to be banned. Corruption should be the first target. That hurts us more than yoga, lipstick and high heels. That was what saw the end of the Islamic empire. That was what caused the extinction of the Golden Age of Islam.
And this fatwah fiasco has raised another problem. It has set the Rulers and religious authorities on a collision course. Will we now see a turf war between the Rulers and the religious authorities? The outcome of all this is going to see one party embarrassed, either the Rulers or the religious authorities. And would this not be embarrassing for the Malays as well? And, in the meantime, corruption prevails. It is getting from bad to worse. And no one wants to come out with a fatwah on this.
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written by manic_annie, November 26, 2008 14:58:35
Very true.
Save the ummah, down with corruption!
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written by confuseus, November 26, 2008 15:05:12
BULLS EYE, Pet.
These are all trivial, we must address the vital and the King shall be the "PAYUNG" for all Rakyat and not vv.
Pet, please publish my articles on OMBUDSMAN, soon !
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written by teo siew chin, November 26, 2008 15:07:53
I was given to understand that a fatwah is merely a guide. How can one be 'guided' on corruption? (pls dont jam your foot in my mouth YM RPK smilies/grin.gif)
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written by Ken Liew, November 26, 2008 15:09:33
So Islam is losing face thanks to the UMNO elites.
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written by semut, November 26, 2008 15:18:56
yoga haram..
ISA halal..kill mongolian halal..
huh! smilies/angry.gif
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written by malaysianohope, November 26, 2008 15:20:38
I'm not going to comment about the religion since I'm not one but I surely would like to say that Umno is unislamic since it cordone corruptions and bribery. That is the irony of a party which supposely champion Islam & so put on notice Allah is watching. The end is nigh!
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written by Hairy Potter, November 26, 2008 15:32:00
teo siew chin..
a true fatwa is a decree that must be followed by muslims. but as in all religions, there are good followers and there are not. good followers abide by the fatwa and vice versa. we are just humans with full of weaknesses.
at the end of the day, god is full of forgiveness. we can commit the biggest sin towards god and he will still forgive us if we fully regretted our wrongdoings and wholeheartedly ask for his forgiveness but our sins towards others will only be forgiven by god if we had been forgiven by the people we sinned.
as rpk aptly put it, let them bring out all the fatwas that they want. to follow or not to is entirely different matter and is solely a decision to be made by oneself. if the fatwa becomes a state or country law and if one can be charged in court for not abiding it but one still wants to go against it, so be it! one just have to face the repercussions and again, it is entirely one's own problem.
salam..
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written by cruzeiro, November 26, 2008 15:53:24
This phenomenon of "religious edicts" being passed by "Godmen" isn't as isolated as it may seem. This has been the rule, rather than the exception in the Abrahamic faiths/sects for ages. More so, when the political establishment is intellectually and ideologically bankrupt, as it was during the time when the "Holy Roman Emperors" were attempting to perpetuate their rule through ignorance. They used religion to reinforce the perception that they were indispensible, in that they were the temporal guardians of "souls" in the hereafter.
After all why wouldn't a "right-thinking" public accept them as rulers on earth, when they care for the people's souls, right??!!
It gives them reason to "soldier on" in "defense" of whatever they seem worthy, so as to divert anger & attention from the corrupt & inefficient politicians, to the taxpayers themselves.
Today, these things would (if ever), rarely happen in a civilised nation.
Thanks to the Mahathirist antidote to earlier PAS-inspired "revivalism"/extremism through "Amanat Hadi" - In Malaysia however, they are enforced through using instruments of state, at the taxpayers' expense - just as in the Papal politics or "Islamist Republics/Monarchies".
Who knows - Maybe one day, we will have Rela-like uniformed Mat Skodeng "SWAT teams" ....
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God-Talk, Fatwas & Inquisition Theology
http://cruzinthots.blogspot.co...ology.html
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written by non conformist, November 26, 2008 16:07:20
(expect for maybe some from Sabah)
Esquire RPK, I believe you meant 'EXCEPT for maybe some from Sabah.'
My hearty agreement with you.
Jesus said, rebuking the religious HYPOCRITES,
" 5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition."
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written by teo siew chin, November 26, 2008 16:22:09
Dear Hairy Potter
I so totally concur with your comments.
It's like the traffic law.
so, how many of us don't ever have a traffic summons?
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written by Hairy Potter, November 26, 2008 16:26:23
note: all fatwas apply to muslims only.
salam
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written by ahmadneil, November 26, 2008 16:44:25
Standing Up For Islam
Muslims are fighting back-not just against the west but also against the militancy in their midst.
UNTIL RECENTLY, MY FATHER- A MUSLIM-NEVER FULLY REALIZED HOW FUNDAMENTALLY the world had changed since 9/11. Though he saw the horrific attacks on TV and expressed sympathy for the victims and shock at the evil men can do, it didn't impact him personally.As a semiretired businessman residing in Kuala Lumpur, my father maintains a routine of dropping by his office, meeting friends and fussing over his grand children.But a number of weeks ago he inadvertently stumbled into what some have mislabeled the clash of civilizations when he visited a old acquaintance, the chinese owner of a high-end watch shop downtown.The proprietor had been grilled by a London immigration on a trip to Europe, and he figured he knew who to blame. "It's all because of you Muslims," he told my dad.
The rebuke hardly rates as real religious harrassment, but it's symptomatic of the cross,so to speak, that Muslims now bear: they are held collectively responsible by many non-Muslims for the sins of a lunatic fringe and are stereotyped as zealots because of their faith. As the world watches,the war in the Persian Gulf, and the potential for retaliatory terrorist attacks keep much of Asia on alert and this report chronicling the diversity of Islam as it's lived, practiced and celebrated in Asia is essential reading.We don't claim the collection of stories that follows is definitive, but we believe it accurately reflects the mood and spirit of Muslims in the region: angry,yes, but also hurt and sad and proud, struggling to maintain an identity in the face of globalization, and bravely struggling, in ways both big and small, to prevent their faith from being hijacked by hate.Above all, it reminds us, these are fellow human beings just like you, or me, or my father.
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written by ahmadneil, November 26, 2008 16:47:12
Is there any fatwah on sodomy?
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written by ylcc, November 26, 2008 17:09:03
From Malaysiakini
PM: Muslims can practice yoga
Nov 26, 08 4:37pm
Muslims can continue practicing yoga as long as there are no elements of worship or mantras involved, said Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi today. Furthermore, the premier underscored the fact that yoga was good for health.
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written by Bloodhound, November 26, 2008 17:12:37
No way, there's no way the Council would dare to issue fatwa on corruptions. Their masters will send them packing...and they have mouths to feed, so the corrupt politicians and civil servants should be quite safe for the time being practising and fine tuning their expertise!
On another matter, when the mind is weak, fatwa is nothing. Check out links below -
http://sjsandteam.wordpress.com/2008/11/08/
http://sjsandteam.wordpress.com/2008/11/09/when-the-son-marries-the-mother/
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written by merlin2001, November 26, 2008 17:14:47
In the event that the PM, DPM, Ministers and the civil service administrators are all corrupt whom among will be judged as the greater sinner?
Are there different level of hell for each?
Remember the rot start from the fishy head.
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written by Rainbowseahorse, November 26, 2008 17:15:33
Bro Pete,
The problem is, all these religious people have too much time on their hands and being cooped up all day, 365 days a year, does strange things to human brains.
Find or put all these religious people to work and soon they will be too tired to "Fatwa" this and that.
For attention getter and to show their cleverness, hey presto, they come up with : "Hmmmm, I-say-man, I have been thinking, shouldn't we have a Fatwa on...."
So, out comes another Fatwa which makes sense only to them, and pleases them to pieces because they thought of it first which even their Arab counterparts failed to do.
It's another Malaysia First...Malaysia Boleh!
:-)
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written by Xrap11, November 26, 2008 17:16:52
Fatwa merely a conclusion derived by a group of islamic trustee regarding to unclear matter. I would think that it is sort of democracy system whereby one ulamak might have different opinion to the others.
Yoga have 80% of meditation in its practise. Solah on the other hand which done preperly and kyusu' would be able to give ummah all the required meditation and body movement that is required to achieve better health.
To relate islam, UMNO and bumiputra as one unit is improper. Take it easy when commenting especially for my non-malay friend. Do some mind relaxing activity if you think only about condemning comments rather than constructive. You guys were partly the reason why Pet had spend time in Kamunting. Be thoughtful of a Malay that stood up for Malaysian as a whole, will ya.
http://pancingengland.blogspot.com
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written by kanokporn, November 26, 2008 17:22:24
question is how was i born? then the next question is as christianity/judaism is only 2000/5000 years ago but hinduism was there before all this. so how about yoga? i dont know lah. must ask the national fatwah coucil
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written by *****, November 26, 2008 17:24:36
Waiting for fatwa on ISA.
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written by willove, November 26, 2008 17:27:14
Oh yes, Malaysia is a wonderful paradise, free from troubles all over the world.
At the time when the world is facing one of the worst financial crisis...
At the time when our future is seriously affected by environmental issues...
At the time when other nations are fighting to be the best in the world...
Our national news headline reads:
"Fatwahs issued on yoga practice."
"Fatwahs issued on Muslim ladies dressing like man."
"Penang having multi-ligual road signs!"
Wow, wow, wow! What a country!
Where are we heading? Scary!!! smilies/angry.gif
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written by binkah1, November 26, 2008 17:38:48
Hahaha..bull eye pete. It could just be a trick by those in power to refocus the rakyat attention away from more serious concern such as corruption etc etc.
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written by Motherchell, November 26, 2008 18:18:09
Dear Pete,
So sorry to keep on bugging you with so many doubts about Fatwas!,
Could i be enlightened about;
1)What is the NFC ? the reason i ask is ---- do they just swipe their employee cards and go home driving the Merc's we give them in the name of Civil Servants perks??
2)Why is it that the Fatwa Council visit the Malaysian Concentration Camps to see if all is well with Islam --- but forget that a Concentration Camp is forbidden in Islam??
3)Why is it that the so called Fatwa Council is so afraid to go to the PDRM safe rooms , secret locations , Torture chambers to see if there was anything against the teachings of what they profess??
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6) Why do they cajole all the leaders who grope GRO's like Beardo and is still scot free.
7) What do they have to say about Nazri's son having a wild time at the bay?? He has every right i know--- but let not his father tell us what purity is all about !
:-) Why were they silent when Saiful broke the tenets of Islam by taking the oath???
9) Why is murder like catching a fish to them?? Would they feel the same if it hits close to their hearts !
Ok My dear Pete ! time you had some coffee , before your research on these imbeciles!
God bless you Pete!
http://sjsandteam.wordpress.com
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written by Milo, November 26, 2008 18:21:45
Wow! What if the 'religious authority' from PAS issues a 'reminder' fatwa to muslims to ban corruption to reinforce God's fatwa that was already in the Koran (that was forgotten)? That would be interesting, isn't it? I really want to see how UMNO will counter such a fatwa. mmm....
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written by malgal, November 26, 2008 18:33:16
Yes, we are so harried about the speck in our brother's eye that we failed to see the plank in ours.
The fatwah on yoga and not on say, corruption, has exposed a small mindedness and narrow view. An authority whose power to wield goodness and guidance has instead diminished its ability and sadly trivialised itself.
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written by JohnQ, November 26, 2008 18:36:12
If Yoga, lipsticks and high heels are as sinful as bribery and corruption, EASY, just pray and ask for forgiveness after every practises, just like the NOs are doing after every coffer stealing and cheatings,
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written by magickriver, November 26, 2008 18:36:31
You said it, Pete, and most lucidly & drolly too, bravo. Let this be the last word on the compulsion to fatwa fatuously - which can only lead to some people fearing the mad mullah syndrome (and planning their escape to Kiwiland) and others laughing till they fart.
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written by carribeanking7, November 26, 2008 18:36:58
Dear Pete,
Over the last few days, I saw much of a bashfest here and elsewhere where some non-Muslims took potshots at the fatwa's and Muslims telling them to butt out as it does not concern them, I abstained from posting a single opinion as I am neither Muslim nor a Yoga practitioner,but as a citizen living in a multiracial multireligious country I realize that it is not so easy compartmentalize these issues.
My understanding is that a fatwa is an Islamic religious ruling, a scholarly opinion on a matter of Islamic law. please correct me if I am wrong) people who pronounce these rulings are supposed to be knowledgeable, and base their rulings in knowledge and wisdom. They need to supply the evidence from Islamic sources for their opinions, and as you have pointed out in a previous article they can come to different conclusions regarding the same issue. Harris Ibrahim also pointed out an instance where a fatwa issued was revoked several years later, in his story about Pak Ahmad. He also points out that it is a fineable and jailable offence under section 9 & 12 of the syariah criminal offences act 1997 which includes flouting a fatwa. So it is also about using ones god given conscience as a guide. I also understand that Muslims are expected to follow fatwa's but not obliged to do so. in short it between you and god.
Thus it puzzles me that the fatwa is enforceable under the syariah act. Is our Fatwa council comprised of members who have the stature to give such edicts, or are they merely yet another tool under the ruling governments payroll ? That is a matter for Malaysian Muslims to decide.
As a non-Muslim citizen however my concerns are as follows :-
1) The effect of investment inflows into the country due to investors pessimism over frivolous fatwas, this affects us all regardless of religious affiliation.
2) Overzealous enforcement officers inconveniencing non-Muslims by hanging around health clubs and demanding to see identification, in the past it made us an international laughing stock when they asked an American couple for their marriage license, they have proven in many incidents to be anything but tactful.
3) Using such fatwa's to frame Muslim opposition MP's on trumped up charges, this will be a setback to the constituents(including non Muslims) whom they represent.
4) The ruling government who has the fatwa council under its payroll, twisting their arms to issue such fatwas to scare non-Muslim voters into abandoning PAS, I can't help but notice the escalation since PAS extended the olive branch by formally ratifying its non-Muslim wing, it seems that they are killing 2 birds with one stone by trying to show that they are more Islamic than PAS at the same time trying to erode PAS non-Muslim support.
I for one see this whole episode as politically motivated with far reaching ramifications, that is why I am concerned as a citizen, I am reminded of this quote by Pastor Martin Niemoler :
When the Nazis came for the communists, I remained silent;I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats, I remained silent;I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists, I did not speak out; I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews, I remained silent; I was not a Jew.
When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out.
Regards
Vijay Kumar Murugavell
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written by Palmdoc, November 26, 2008 18:44:51
This reminds me of a great blog post by Haris Ibrahim:
http://harismibrahim.wordpress.com/2008/07/11/when-little-napoleons-aspire-to-play-god/
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written by carribeanking7, November 26, 2008 18:52:56
Motherchell quoted:
Why were they silent when Saiful broke the tenets of Islam by taking the oath???
In all fairness the fatwa council did come out and say it was wrong, I saw it on TV, but it was a low key affair, and what puzzled me was it was done exactly a day after the permatang pauh by election was concluded, saiful was never heard of after that.
Regards
Vijay Kumar Murugavell
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written by Sabahfan, November 26, 2008 20:14:14
Yes pete. very correct but then the JAKIM and police will say again. RPK has cause an offence again the security of nation by questionin the FATwaaah. but the orders were drafted by humans of questionable origin.
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written by KotaDamansara73, November 26, 2008 20:16:24
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written by Motherchell, November 26, 2008 20:50:02
written by carribeanking7, November 26, 2008 18:52:56
Thank you Murugavel for the update ! I must have missed that .
Here another doubt arises -- how could a serious fathwa be committed in a mosque by allowing Saiful to do what he did . For sure if a VIP matter was to be indiscretioned ?? --- phone calls would have gone helter skelter to the higher ups !
So do the controllers just have faith for the sake of controlling to the music from the corridors??
Pete i have this question--- how much did the Mosque Mufti know about the faith by allowing this to happen?? So who can we trust for the final words on this ?? Definitely not the little mullahs!
As carribeanking says , ........"When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.............................
So very true Murugavel!
Cheers brother.
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written by bakas, November 26, 2008 20:52:25
I believe that, had proper consultation and observation been made, the issue of banning of yoga and tomboy could have been handled better. I believe the National Fatwa Council has their own reasons for issuing the fatwas, but I must say it was done in a distasteful manner. It is quite incredulous to say that yoga and tomboyism can divert Muslims from finding the true path. Instead, it is gullibility and pettiness that will be the downfall of anyone aspiring to find the true path. Does God really actually bother about this? What about things ‘bigger’ than these two? I must admit, I failed to see the ‘real’ reason behind the recent issuing of fatwas, and I agree with RPK that this is utterly useless as nobody follows them anyway. Look at alcohol and extramarital sex! It is HARAM in Islam, yet one still see it rampant among the community. And aren’t these two sins ‘bigger’ than yoga that teaches you discipline and tomboyism that is part of a search for an identity?
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written by budakindia, November 26, 2008 21:52:30
Pete, I think we can just leave them alone. They can ban whatever they fancy as long as they don't touch others. We don't you to be entangled with all the small things. If they wanted to be an ars*hol* let them. It's just another trap they set to shut us up. smilies/angry.gif
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written by sydput, November 26, 2008 21:54:44
in the early days of the muslim empire, they absorbed knowledge introduced to them by the romans, the greeks, the persianx and and the eqyptians.
Today, malay muslims refused to learn from the two oldest asian civilisations, the indians nd the chinese.
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written by MNor, November 26, 2008 23:27:35
YM RPK, too true on what you have said and this is what I have experienced. A Non-bumi lawyer friend of mind lamented how she was surprised to note that a white songkok (kupiah haji) civil servant was demanding kopi money from her inorder help search her required documents/informations for her client. A man who has done his haj pilgrimage!!! asking for money???? My GOD!!! being a malay muslim, how do you think I feel!!!! suck man realy sick. So DEAR YM RPK you are 100% right man.
Warm regards and may GOD bless you and your family..wassalam
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written by Taiping60, November 27, 2008 00:00:06
Pete,
Very well said. So Malaysians, if those in power does not do anything about it to get rid of corruption then we Malaysian should stand up in the next election and remove all those corrupted politicians regardless of whether they are from the governments or oppositions.
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written by cheekhiaw, November 27, 2008 00:14:12
The Islamic empires were 'great' only as long as the nomadic conquerors and barbarians left the great Syriac, Persian and Egyptian civilisations alone.
After a few hundred years, when those civilisations were completely perverted by the simplistic and stupid notions of life of those barbarians their 'greatness' started the downward slide.
This passage from Omar Khayyam is telling
And do you think that unto such as you;
A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew:
God gave the secret—and denied it me?
Well, well, what matters it? Believe that, too.
- Rubaiyat, Omar Khayyam
Similarly, 40 years of perversion by a bunch of thieves, liars and murderers gave rise to the Malaysia today.
xxx
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written by shepherdvoyage, November 27, 2008 00:59:46
BN and the Fatwah Council have at least one thing in common: they walk upside down, i.e. their heads down and their legs up, therefore they make small issues big and big issues small.
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written by arazak, November 27, 2008 03:02:36
“And bribery is not the lowest level yet. So the sin of bribery certainly ranks higher than the sin of sex with your own mother or father”.
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In UMNO, “money politics” (read corruption/ bribery) is rampant!
Hey guys. . ., the UMNOs are having orgies “dulu, kini dan selamanya”.
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written by Janaka, November 27, 2008 03:19:26
As referring to the comment from our beloved bro ahmadneil
Is there any fatwah on SOMDOMAZATION? .. it was sensationalized 'the somdomy' during the Permatang Pauh's election by infamous SHITFOOL.
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